xenologer: (human monsters)
Ariz. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in critical condition after Tucson shooting; six killed including a federal judge and little girl.

Word around the campfire is that our shooter is a Jared Loughner, and that he might be an Afghan war veteran. Since they didn't give his race, I will bet you money that he's white. Given the atmosphere around Giffords and who's basically been pushing for her to be gotten rid of, I think we can make some pretty reasonable guesses as to what his motivations were as well.

Sarah Palin's website literally put crosshairs on Gabrielle Giffords and 19 other congress members.

Don't forget that Giffords also just defeated a TEA Party whacko. Check out this event to shoot a fully automatic m16 to get on target and remove Gabrielle Giffords. Cute.

This whole thing with Rep. Giffords is exactly why people should not be advocating violence as a solution to political problems; someone will try it. Their comfort level with violent rhetoric is what makes the TEA Party so alarming, so everybody please make sure not to take the wrong message away from this.

Date: 2011-01-11 05:27 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] silveradept
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It certainly seems to work for them so far - and their standard denials of "isolated incidents" and "lone gunmen" who are mentally ill still hold enough water that nobody believes the continual stream of violent rhetoric has anything to do with it.

Date: 2011-01-08 09:50 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] e-mily.livejournal.com
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Witness statement about the shooter:

The man was young, mid-to-late 20s, white clean-shaven with short hair and wearing dark clothing and said nothing during the shooting or while being held down.

Date: 2011-01-08 10:10 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] e-mily.livejournal.com
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Guy's also got a youtube channel. Batshit paranoid crazy.

Date: 2011-01-08 10:16 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] virginia-fell.livejournal.com
Dunno if that's him. Not ready to believe basically anything about his online presence until tomorrow. Too many people have popped up with fake Facebook profiles and shit.

Date: 2011-01-09 12:41 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
Violent rhetoric - even metaphorical - has cost. This climate of using such language, of cusing crosshairs and gun imagery, of "watering the tree of liberty" and all the crap that gets thrown around do not exist in a bubble.

Free speech doesn't mena that speech doesn't have consequences, doesn't mean people aren't affected, doesn't mean people aren't liustening - and doesn't mena that violent rhetoric doesn't encourage violent action

Date: 2011-01-09 12:50 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] kingofdoma.livejournal.com
And they call video game users impressionable...

This whole thing... it reeks of "reap what you sow". The culture that is being actively cultivated in America, one of fear, one of reclusion, and one of anger, is now bearing fruit in the form of innocent people getting murdered pointlessly. It's freaking horrifying, is what it is, and my biggest fear is that even this won't snap people out of their stupor.

I... I got nothing. Americans, you're in my heart. Good luck to you.

Date: 2011-01-09 03:47 am (UTC)From: [personal profile] bitter
bitter: (a moment in time; makes the world blind)
I've been following this all day and it makes me too angry to communicate coherently.

But I really do wish people would stop referring to the shooter as "insane" and "deranged," etc.

Date: 2011-01-09 02:06 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] chibininja.livejournal.com
Except that everything that has been coming out about this guy indicates that he may not have been all there.

Date: 2011-01-09 04:47 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] virginia-fell.livejournal.com
Something in his head is definitely put together wrong. Kind of figured from the "shooting people" bit that he was a total fucking fruitcake.

What bugs me is the number of people who want to talk about him like he was crazy in a vacuum, like he's just some lone nut with a crazy malfunctioning brain and that it's totally unreasonable to be suspicious of the cloud of angry and violent rhetoric that has been surrounding Giffords and some of her colleagues. The fact that he's crazy doesn't negate the contributions that really violent rhetoric might have made to him choosing this particular expression for his craziness, but a lot of people think that "he was nuts" is as far as anybody can and should go toward explaining what happened. I don't know about [livejournal.com profile] unopened, but that's what bugs me more.

Date: 2011-01-09 06:41 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] bitter
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Except that they were talking like this before anyone knew who he was.

Except that there's a difference between saying there are indications that someone is unstable and trotting out the CRAZY DERANGED PSYCHO rhetoric.

Except that there's already a media narrative that people with mental illnesses are violent when there likelihood is much higher that a mentally ill person would be the victim of a crime rather than the perpetrator.

Except that the only reason he's getting this kind of ~psychological profile~ treatment is because he looks like a nice middle-class white boy and no one wants to accept any responsibility they may have for fostering the type of environment where someone might think this shit is okay.

If he wasn't white, no one would give two shits about his mental state. The narrative surrounding this would be totally different if he were latino.

ETA: This is relevant.
Edited Date: 2011-01-09 07:16 pm (UTC)
And so did PZ Meyers, with some damningly spot-on quotes from a variety of sources:


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