Talking to kaisharga earlier...

I was talking to kaisharga about various kinds of social progress (atheists, gays, ethnic and religious minorities being treated like real Americans), and not for the first time I was faced with the idea that certain changes just won't be made on a broad scale until the older generation that cannot wrap their head around new ways of thinking dies.

For example, some people will never get it into their heads that gay men are not all child molesters. They just won't ever see them as anything but deviants, which means that they'll never see treating LGBT individuals fairly as anything but giving them "special privileges" that they wouldn't give to rapists or pedophiles (and to some people like Rick Warren, they really are totally the same). These people will not be convinced by any argument, evidence, or personal experience.

So we have to wait for them to die and be replaced by people who learned better from the start. kaisharga commented, "Which sounds a horrible way to put it, but really... I'm picturing activists travelling to the deep South, carrying signs that say "PLEASE DIE for CIVIL RIGHTS""

But y'know what? Y'all are on notice. Everybody who thinks that "racism" is just the politically-correct way of referring to anti-minority views that shouldn't be spoken but are nonetheless totally true? I'm waiting for you to die. Everybody who thinks that allowing consenting adults of the same sex to marry is the same as letting people marry toddlers, I am eagerly waiting for you to die. Everybody who believes that women were created by God only to rear children but don't have the judgment to decide when to have them? You're lucky all I'm doing is waiting for you to die.

And I am most excited to see you replaced. If I could live forever, it'd be to see that happen. To see your kind die out after decades, centuries, millenia. However long it takes for progressives to scratch and claw their way to the bottom of this selfish, bigoted, tribalist, superstitious bullshit. I know it will take a great yawning span of time. I just wish I could be there to see it.

I wish I could be there to see your kind die out, once and for all. We don't need you.

But what would be really great? If someday it's people like me who're on the way out. I'm not so great. I'm not so progressive, really. I've still got that embedded racism, misogyny, homophobia, etc. It's all still in there, and I know it. I try to look for it, but I'm not gonna get it all out. I can only do the best I can do.

Someday, though, I'll be the throwback, because everyone else will have moved on past me. And that'll be a good day.

Talking to kaisharga earlier...

I was talking to kaisharga about various kinds of social progress (atheists, gays, ethnic and religious minorities being treated like real Americans), and not for the first time I was faced with the idea that certain changes just won't be made on a broad scale until the older generation that cannot wrap their head around new ways of thinking dies.

For example, some people will never get it into their heads that gay men are not all child molesters. They just won't ever see them as anything but deviants, which means that they'll never see treating LGBT individuals fairly as anything but giving them "special privileges" that they wouldn't give to rapists or pedophiles (and to some people like Rick Warren, they really are totally the same). These people will not be convinced by any argument, evidence, or personal experience.

So we have to wait for them to die and be replaced by people who learned better from the start. kaisharga commented, "Which sounds a horrible way to put it, but really... I'm picturing activists travelling to the deep South, carrying signs that say "PLEASE DIE for CIVIL RIGHTS""

But y'know what? Y'all are on notice. Everybody who thinks that "racism" is just the politically-correct way of referring to anti-minority views that shouldn't be spoken but are nonetheless totally true? I'm waiting for you to die. Everybody who thinks that allowing consenting adults of the same sex to marry is the same as letting people marry toddlers, I am eagerly waiting for you to die. Everybody who believes that women were created by God only to rear children but don't have the judgment to decide when to have them? You're lucky all I'm doing is waiting for you to die.

And I am most excited to see you replaced. If I could live forever, it'd be to see that happen. To see your kind die out after decades, centuries, millenia. However long it takes for progressives to scratch and claw their way to the bottom of this selfish, bigoted, tribalist, superstitious bullshit. I know it will take a great yawning span of time. I just wish I could be there to see it.

I wish I could be there to see your kind die out, once and for all. We don't need you.

But what would be really great? If someday it's people like me who're on the way out. I'm not so great. I'm not so progressive, really. I've still got that embedded racism, misogyny, homophobia, etc. It's all still in there, and I know it. I try to look for it, but I'm not gonna get it all out. I can only do the best I can do.

Someday, though, I'll be the throwback, because everyone else will have moved on past me. And that'll be a good day.

Talking to kaisharga earlier...

I was talking to kaisharga about various kinds of social progress (atheists, gays, ethnic and religious minorities being treated like real Americans), and not for the first time I was faced with the idea that certain changes just won't be made on a broad scale until the older generation that cannot wrap their head around new ways of thinking dies.

For example, some people will never get it into their heads that gay men are not all child molesters. They just won't ever see them as anything but deviants, which means that they'll never see treating LGBT individuals fairly as anything but giving them "special privileges" that they wouldn't give to rapists or pedophiles (and to some people like Rick Warren, they really are totally the same). These people will not be convinced by any argument, evidence, or personal experience.

So we have to wait for them to die and be replaced by people who learned better from the start. kaisharga commented, "Which sounds a horrible way to put it, but really... I'm picturing activists travelling to the deep South, carrying signs that say "PLEASE DIE for CIVIL RIGHTS""

But y'know what? Y'all are on notice. Everybody who thinks that "racism" is just the politically-correct way of referring to anti-minority views that shouldn't be spoken but are nonetheless totally true? I'm waiting for you to die. Everybody who thinks that allowing consenting adults of the same sex to marry is the same as letting people marry toddlers, I am eagerly waiting for you to die. Everybody who believes that women were created by God only to rear children but don't have the judgment to decide when to have them? You're lucky all I'm doing is waiting for you to die.

And I am most excited to see you replaced. If I could live forever, it'd be to see that happen. To see your kind die out after decades, centuries, millenia. However long it takes for progressives to scratch and claw their way to the bottom of this selfish, bigoted, tribalist, superstitious bullshit. I know it will take a great yawning span of time. I just wish I could be there to see it.

I wish I could be there to see your kind die out, once and for all. We don't need you.

But what would be really great? If someday it's people like me who're on the way out. I'm not so great. I'm not so progressive, really. I've still got that embedded racism, misogyny, homophobia, etc. It's all still in there, and I know it. I try to look for it, but I'm not gonna get it all out. I can only do the best I can do.

Someday, though, I'll be the throwback, because everyone else will have moved on past me. And that'll be a good day.